Re; Tealady.

Hello, not sure what erotic movies you've been watching, but i have chosen movies that are just  erotic.not violent, our

local video shop hires out violent movies to kids. we are adults surely we should have a choice. 

RE: ryanmacca 29.10.06

I dont believe that we have created an environment or society where some violent acts occur on account of what we watch in films. I watch a lot of artistic, violent, sexually graphic, documentary type fiilms. And I have seen some things that have been a lot more disturbing than the average porno. And yet, I'm fine. Watching such films does not change my frame of thinking from right to wrong. I mean - I found Dad's porno stash when I was 10. I watched it, and I learnt from it. I'm no sexual beast... Blaming films on crimes people are committing within our society is bullsh*t. It's a cop out. An excuse used when there are no answers elsewhere... or answers that aren't found because the accused had a stash of pornos found in their home and - well - it's easy to pin it on this and say "what a sicko" then to search a little deeper.
If someone watches a film and they change the way they think from whats morally correct - and end up committing a crime of any sort - that's their problem. Not the films'. People that commit crimes of a sexual or violent nature usually have deeper problems and frustrations from previous life experiences or chemical imbalances in their head - not from the damn naughty movie they watched last weekend. Sure, there can be those that use a movie as a basis for their crime - but that's them copying what they see on film - Not the film provoking them or telling them to go out and actually do this. If some grown adults cannot watch these films and decipher the fact from fiction, then maybe society should focus on helping educate those who are a little confused in this matter.

On the question of "...what help would pornographic materiel do to those who have been sexually abused, as children, as teenagers, as adults, and what restoration would this bring to their sexual relationships or them as a sexual being..." Well, the truth is...probably none. Because people that have suffered abusive or troubling sexual encounters begin to see sex as just that. This is where they have to work through their trauma and see that sex is beautiful, it can be fun, it is divine - for without sex, we wouldn't exist. People that misuse such an amazing act in crimes, are not well - confused... and those who have suffered begin to see sex in another light also.
But - if those sufferers can seperate their own issues with sex and to what they see on erotic films, I'm sure a balance would be obtained and the films could help. And maybe see that sex is enjoyable.

And as a woman, a young woman with a very open mind, I am apalled that you have an idea that erotic films can or may create a mindset that devalues them. The women in these films have consented to what they are doing - if they didnt  - then yes, I could agree it would be devaluing. But it isn't. 
I dont think that porn films devalue women, I think they do the opposite. I belive that all women are sexually divine and giving someone else of the same or opposite sex an orgasm, is an acheivement, a feeling of self satisfaction. And to add - what would be so wrong in being as good as an orgasm you've just given? An orgasm is magic and powerful and in rituals within many cultures around the world, the strength and power of an orgasm can most often be worshipped.

Adult erotic films are art. They portray sex...of all types. And sex is wonderful. Those who are dillusional about what these films are set out to achieve have small minds.

Compared to the bigger isssues in the world, in our country, on our streets - I think that making some tasteful erotic films available to adults who wish and want to watch it, isnt really a big ask. Honestly, is it?

 

As the man said: there are three types of sex- thinking about it, talking about it and doing it.  Porno movies fall into the first two categories, and further are voyeuristic and fake, giving a distorted view of real sex.  Are we all so beautiful? Are we all so sexually athletic?   Don't such movies feed the disturbed among us with unbalanced ideas and make most others feel inadequate?

If you need to watch people acting out sex to get ideas and stimulation then you simply lack imagination.   

Porno movies also degarde the beauty of sex making such an exciting deeply private thing a public display, and for money. 

 

Go Santeena and Anna Adult films do not hurt anyone, just give pleasure to people who want to spice up their love life

Hi Ryanmacca,

I have to disagree with what you said especially in regards to the sexually abused. As a victim of sexual abuse I do not find erotic films offensive and  they haven't had any detrimental effect on any of my sexual relationships nor have they affected my sexual being!! Quite the opposite actually! I had trust issues for afew years but sought the right help. I'm now in a loving relationship and a mother to 3 and a regular viewer of erotic movies. All I'm asking is that WE be given the choice to purchase and watch what we want! If they did offend me I wouldn't watch, simple as that!!

Kudos Durgan, I agree with you. Sex is something intimate between two people (preferably married, but I'm not going to win any friends by saying that on here).

One would expect the inherent bias evident in this forum on the basis that it is being conducted on a site that SELLS porn... i.e. the majority of people on here are probably here because they shop on the site, so would be expected to be porn-watchers So long as people don't think that the survey figures are somehow representative of the overall views of the population, that is fine.

I will admit that porn has an inherent attraction, as people were all made with a sex drive. Honestly, I find the idea of it appealing... but that doesn't mean I watch it because I don't think it is healthy. I would rather keep my naive innocence if that means I will be exploring my sexuality with my wife, rather than building up a set of skills gained across many partners or porno films. I am confident that we will figure enough out for ourselves ;-)

Good one Kowboy, porno is appealing but at the same time destructive.   I believe porno breeds casual sex -of which I have had my share - which is a pale cousin of the sex which comes from long-term intimacy, in marriage.  It's like the difference in long-term relationships we develop with friends which become deep, meaningful and supportive, not to be compared to a friendly chat on a bus, if you get my drift.  The sex porno depicts is shallow and like casual sex gives only short term satisfaction.  I believe that is why contributors to these pages say they gain stimulation and ideas from watching porno flicks. They are not in deepening long term loving relationships and need better and bigger 'hits' to keep it going.   It's focussed on the physical and the thrill wears off because of its shallowness.

A TV interviewer said he had a wide knowledge of science but only an inch deep whereas the scientist he was interviewing had a knowledge only an inch wide but a mile deep.  The scientist spoke about his area of expertise with such passion, a passion which captivated me as I understood he had been working at it for a long time and was 'in love' with it.  Porno and the casual sex it spawns is like this, a mile wide but only an inch deep.  If this is what people want then that's their choice but how sad to miss out on the real thing! 

Ryanmacca, you obviously haven't watched a porno flick lately!  As a woman, I really think you are looking too much into it.  Porn to me is escapism.  It is a fantasy world created to titilate and excite.  My husband and I enjoy the occasional skin flick, but not once has he said to me, gee I wish you looked like Jenna Jameson!  Also, in the more modern type porn, woman actually seem to be enjoying themselves.  You only have to check out Belladonna to realise that!  Women, in general are no longer the delicate creatures that need to be protected and 'cherished'.  There's a hell of a lot of women that want to explore, want more control of their sexuality and can actually gain ideas from watching porn and actually enjoy the experience instead of laying down and thinking of England.  Sexual violence usually results from sexual repression and the feeling of powerlessness.  A perfect example is about a year or so ago, a young guy held up a series of adult shops and demanded porn.  He also demanded that one of the female staff members (who I know) take her clothes off.  He came from a fundamentalist christian family, that actually contributed to the repression of this guy's sexuality. 

If you are an adult, there should be no restrictions to what type of adult content you should watch.  The federal government should realise this and legalise the sale of non-violent erotica in all states now.  Maybe then, they can concentrate on the total eradication of child pornography that is so easily accessed on the world wide web, something the entire adult industry is so dead against.  A very interesting website to check out is http://www.deception.com.au/  This is a real eye opener. .

AdultRetailManager, can you supply us with the actual details of your story about the young guy who supposedly held up 'adult' stores? For example surely this serious offence was reported to the police.  Please supply us with the date of the report and to whom it was reported.  Otherwise it sounds like a convenient urban myth.

Also I disagree with you, women need to be cherished (valued, loved and respected) just as men need to be.  My wife serves me and I serve her.  I think you have been reading the wrong books. 

Durgan Z Arcomipi:

Good one Kowboy, porno is appealing but at the same time destructive.   I believe porno breeds casual sex -of which I have had my share - which is a pale cousin of the sex which comes from long-term intimacy, in marriage.

That's just your opinion and I completely respect that, but it's just an opinion and is neither right or wrong (just like my opinion).

  

But does that give the Government the right to not let me purchase erotic adult movies through an Adult store in my home state if I choose too? Does that give you the right to tell me that I shouldn't be allowed to purchase this material if I choose too? If erotic adult movies are not for you that's fine, don't buy them or watch them, it's not like TV is forcing them on you like they do with violence. But why stop those who do choose to watch this material, what will that achieve?

RE: One would expect the inherent bias evident in this forum on the basis that it is being conducted on a site that SELLS porn... i.e. the majority of people on here are probably here because they shop on the site, so would be expected to be porn-watchers So long as people don't think that the survey figures are somehow representative of the overall views of the population, that is fine.

How did you come to be on this site kowboy? Are you an adultshop.com customer? I've never shopped at their site and I'm here. I saw the site advertised very publicly, very broadly and to the masses, in the paper... Everyone in Australia is welcome to come here and have their say. Who else is offering that opportunity on this debate? And which survey are you talking about? If it's the ACNielsen survey, that was not conducted on this site - as you can read in the information made available here, it was a completely independent survey, conducted before this site even existed looking at the dates these forums start.

 As for what you would like to do or not do with adult movies, that's exactly what the argument is for: choice. Simple as that. How can anyone argue with people being given the choice? You wouldn't have to do anything more or less with adult films than you do now.

CFL- you are right in that I am expressing my opinion as we are all entitled to do. However it is fair to consider whether an opinion is based upon a sound foundation and whether it is more about financial gain or personal gratification.  I think it would be fair to say that some or even most of the pro-porn opinions expressed here are from people with vested interests. That is they stand to gain financially by the promotion of explicit sexual material.  Why should we give their opinion any weight?  Further it is reasonable to consider whether those who write have the  long-term experience in social issues to judge whether this material is beneficial or ultimately destructive.  You say you should have the right to view such material should you wish.  I would liken this to the alcoholic who says he or she has the right to continue drinking to excess, or the smokers who say they have the right to continue, and those who stand to gain financially lobby on their behalf.  But consider the wider issues of what alcoholism/smoking does to the individual, their friends and family and to passive smokers.  Their right to smoke and drink to excess has a massive social cost both in suffering and in the billions added each year to our national health costs.  We are not individuals but part of a commonwealth where our personal activities should not interfere with the rights of others.  In other words if our system is to work then our rights come with responsibilities.

My experience with erotica is that it never satisfies and draws us deeper into heavier and heavier material which still doesn't satisfy.  Beyond opinion it is voyeurism and my lengthy experience shows it does not ultimately have any lasting benefits, other than to those who make lots of money from it, the same people who lobby openly and covertly to gain access to more and more people.  

As to government the present one has been returned to power four times, last time with an increased majority and in both houses.  Surely that is clear proof that the bulk of the voters approve of this government's policies and actions.  I am not a member of any political party by the way.  The voters have given the government a mandate to act, a mandate which means the government does not have to asks us how they should act upon every issue.  If the voters don't like what the government has or has not done then there is always the next election. 

We live in a Deomacray - that means we have the right to our say - be it founded on years of experience within a particular field or not. It also means we (should be able to) make decisions for ourselves and are fully responsible for any consequences of those actions.

The pro adult film participants are in favour of two main things as far as I can see: 1) The provision for Australian adults to be given the choice to purchase erotic films from adults-only stores if they wish to. 2) To clean up the availability of erotic films in Australia, shutting down the current black market trading in illegal films from premises as unrestricted as newsagencies, petrol stations and street markets! The info is all here: http://censorship.adultshop.com/thefacts.aspx

Its this current situation that is of concern to me! Give people the choice. Legitimise the sale of CLASSIFIED films. Take the earnings off the crooks dealing in illegal material.

How can that argument possibly be frowned upon?

YAY Anna! I fully agree with everything you say. Also I'd like to add by being able to legally purchase them from a licensed adult store at least they check to make sure wheather or not the purchaser is of legal age! I have heard of black market sellers selling xrated to underage buyers just to make a buck! So whats worse??? At the end of the day for us who watch erotic movies where gonna get them anyway but it would be alot easier if we could walk into a store and purchase them instead of having to wait for delivery. I also don't understand why its legalised in other states and not here in W.A! Could someone shed some light on that?

RE Durgan Z Arcomipi: As the man said: there are three types of sex- thinking about it, talking about it and doing it.  Porno movies fall into the first two categories, and further are voyeuristic and fake, giving a distorted view of real sex.  Are we all so beautiful? Are we all so sexually athletic?   Don't such movies feed the disturbed among us with unbalanced ideas and make most others feel inadequate? If you need to watch people acting out sex to get ideas and stimulation then you simply lack imagination. Porno movies also degarde the beauty of sex making such an exciting deeply private thing a public display, and for money. 

I think you underestimate the sensibilities of the average Australian adult! Do you think you are the only person who knows sex films are not realistic? That the participants are largely acting? That they portray scenes not likely to be the regular behaviour of many people? Everyone knows it! I tell you what - I wouldn't be interested in sex films that were realistic, weren't edited to just the good/attractive parts and bascially what the hubby and I already do three times a week! BORING! Its loving, wonderful and rewarding for us both while we're doing it, but why would I want to see exactly the same thing in a film?

Meanwhile, everyone in sex films is not gorgeous! Most of the guys are frankly, ugly and women from an entire spectrum of physical forms, orientations and ethnicity are presresented in sex films. I don't think most of them are atractive. Get some self confidence and accept sex films dor what they really are! Fun, frivolous entertainment that happens to get you horny!

Where is this public display you're talking about? My husband and I watch sex films in the privacy of our own home thanks very much! As for lacking imagination, when you're having sex as often as we are, you need all the new ideas you can get!